Solder means to join two metals together…. MrItty I think because the two words are so similar, when speaking them I get it kind of confused and it comes out sounding like soldier. Saying the l in solder is a mispronunciation… just as it is for salmon sall-mon or pronouncing the t in filet fill-it. Supposebly I have heard… but I think even the person saying it would concur that it was a slip of the tongue… not an intentional pronunciation.
Examples of words where the correct pronunciation appears to be at odds with a letter-by-letter phonetic rendition solder, colonel, psychology, height, etc, are a very different matter from mispronunciation of words realtor, nuclear, etc. In some cases this reflects the language of origin. In some I think the pronunciation must have come first, and who knows why we settled on that spelling? Modern form is from c. The l is still pronounced in Great Britain.
The noun is first attested You know this when they write it. German has undergone two significant reforms in the past years despite all the vocal critics. Yes, there are only roughly million German native speakers and English has several times as much. But still, I think it would make sense to me. Smatterchew, you donlikusnomore? Zen — Still contemplating the puritan subculture on Fluther. France and Germany try to keep their language pure, while English dictionaries keep expanding based on new words and usage.
Most people in our country and not bothered by the so-called anglicisms mostly new words for new things. In fact there is an alternative: Zeitzonenkater, but nobody uses it because it sounds so ridiculous. Examples are: handy for cell phone or beamer for projector or smoking for tuxedo. Overall you are correct of course. The vocabulary of English is huge, almost twice the size of French or German because of the language history.
Are they the common usage, aside from the older generations, throughout Germany? If so, then it seems as if English is sort of winning out in the race for a unified global language.
Very few people doubt this in Europe, except for the older generation in France perhaps. Do you mean the words in the Denglish table? It just might be English. Just chillin. How about combining them into something called Mandarish?
Zen — India has living languages of which 18 are called national languages. Not sure where you are coming from, but I hear it both ways quite often.
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Learn more. Why do Americans pronounce it as sodder? It is a very long time since the ' l ' entered the standard form, but maybe in some dialects this never happened until much much later, so there could still be a 'folk memory' of the original. This is almost worth an upvote just for the nice story.
This is a weird answer. In England and the rest of the UK, I have only ever heard the solder pronunciation. Definitely not the "sodder" pronunciation. Tristanr I have to admit I have never heard anybody born after use this pronunciation and this relative passed away several years ago, so I cannot follow this up any further.
However, I know that both he and at least one of his contemporaries used this pronunciation around me as a child. Show 1 more comment. Alenanno Alenanno Nicely found. But they don't give my pronunciation!
And to be honest I can barely even hear a difference between OALD's two British pronunciations, let alone reproduce them! So maybe your pronunciation is more dialectal?
I'm really asking, I don't know how much your accent is spread, but you said "Southeast UK" so I take it as a local accent? You're a native speaker right? You can't notice any difference at all? Sorry for the question-bombarding, questions came by themselves :D — Alenanno.
Estuary English is a pretty common term round my neck of the woods. Seriously, the stuff on Wikepedia looks right enough to me. There are millions of us, and we ain't all fick, like wot the tv sez. We just have cloth-ears for sounds we don't usually articulate ourselves. Don't most people? Alenanno, is there anyone who doesn't have a "local accent"?
Show 4 more comments. Whether or not to vocalize the 'l' in 'solder' seems to be a geographical issue. Along with 'solder', he offers many other English words with silent 'l's, including: walk talk half calf yolk almond folk balk balm calm palm falcon salmon caulk haulm which is a variation of halm Some readers will argue that many of the words in Deimel's list have vocalized 'l's, but, like 'solder', this is probably related to geography.
Of those words, I was taught to pronounce the 'l' in 'balm', 'calm', 'palm', and 'falcon'. Of those 4, the first 3 are much closer to being a separate sound made up of a blended 'lm' and it feels that way in my mouth, too , whereas 'falcon' has a clearly articulated 'l' in the same way that 'light' has a clearly articulated 'l'. Edit: rural Saskatchewan, Canada.
The only words there that the 'L' is at all compressed in, in my experience, are the two -alf words, though only in certain localities. Does it rhyme with bacon? I have pronounced the l in caulk ever since an unfortunate incident helping my sister-in-law tile a bathroom.
Heh, some of those are silent for me, some aren't. Some are intermediate - falcon has an 'l' somewhere between that in "ball" and "almond" for me. The only one I pronounce the 'l' in is falcon, which like solder is another case where the 'l' was interpolated from Latin, but here I believe the American pronunciation almost always has the 'l', while it seems that the 'l'-less pronunciation survives in the U.
Show 5 more comments. Tortoise Tortoise 3 3 silver badges 8 8 bronze badges. Merriam Webster dictionary gives: Middle English soudure, from Anglo-French, from souder to solder, from Latin solidare to make solid, from solidus solid First Known Use: 14th century.
I bet the Romans thought we were ignorant southerners because we couldn't or wouldn't pronounce it anything like them! FumbleFingers - been trying to find a way to write the mid Scottish pronunciation, where the L is very strong!
So much that the final er almost vanishes by comparison. I have heard both soul-der and sol-der with a long and short 'o', sometimes the 'o' is so short you lose the 'l' In BE the long 'o' is possibly more common. In the UK, the 'l' in solder is normally pronounced.
You made a good point about the letter 'o'. That's true. Not one of these words has a truly silent 'l' in all cases the 'l' works as a modifier. Soder It is a unique case. Parax Parax 19 1 1 bronze badge. The yank pronunciation of solder is due, no doubt, to the influence of froggy N.
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